My father lived in New York, so I first got into graffiti when I was a kid. I'd go visit him during vacations. From early on I was seeing graffiti everywhere and I dug the style! At that time, around 1983, I met a guy who wrote BEAR 167. He was president of the TDS, and it was with him that I started to bomb. He was already doing graffs, even though he didn't tag a whole lot. I told myself I was going to drop the bomb and I did. Later I met T-KID and other people I started hanging out with. Now I live in New York.

I think I was the first person in Europe to graff. I'm not really sure, because maybe SHOE began at the same time I did. If I was first, it was only four or five months before him. We didn't know each other yet back then. We met later on.

What year was it when you really painted for the first time in Paris?

Around 1982 or '83. At first I was drawing all the time and I mostly did tags. At the end of '83-early '84, I started getting serious and doing lots of graffs. SAHO (ASH) began around that time. The BBC were there since the start, but they were the only other ones around then. I went to London around '85. There were pieces everywhere. I really bombed. MODE was there and I was able to find him. Then he came to Paris, where I was hanging with COLT, and we went wild. I think it was just a few days after meeting COLT we were painting a white train together (must have been on line 13 -- that was the main non-permission piece place in Paris then). Suddenly we were being chased really nasty and one of the guys with us got caught. I hide in a car and I had to sleep there because the cops wouldn't go away. The train didn't leave the yards the next morning. At that time I would often go to Zulu parties with PHIL ONE rather than take a chance and paint trains for no good reason. With COLT, I'd rather put up chrome and black all over. I'd still achieve my main aim, having everybody see my work.